XLibre
Why did Artix drop XLibre? #560
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It's too bad they didn't list the actual commit links somewhere in a nice table.. If it's too much for some humans to summarize, certainly an engine could do it. I have a feeling this is all bluster and a easy way to condition their (Artix) users to whatever agenda it is they have. But, regardless, making factless assertions is not objectively helpful. |
I 100% agree, it's why I've been browsing for alternative distros today - this action by them is very concerning. I've been asking for evidence of the bullying by the Xlibre/SonicDE team against Artix devs including Artist who claimed it) but I've seen none. In every thread on the Artix page, I've seen @callmetango ask politely for things, being taken completely out of context and treated rudely. I'm not for CoC, but their behavior is reactionary - I don't know if it's from a language barrier, or what - but it seems completely unnecessary, then Nous pulls the plug on any further Xlibre support in Artix. Is this based really on what's best for their users, or perceived wrongs by the Xlibre team? The evidence IMO (unless someone can generate a smoking gun here) is that the Artix team grossly misunderstood the communication coming from Xlibre/SonicDE teams, didn't communicate to them what issues users were having, didn't create bug tickets, didn't backport fixes made - then blamed the Xlibre team for things they weren't even aware of. Again - perhaps there's a thread or tweet that shows actual verbal abuse of the Artix team by the Xlibre/SonicDE team. I've not seen it. |
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Based on what you listed, I would suggest the distro I am running which is OpenMandriva Lx Rome. It's rolling. It uses XLibre. It uses KDE Plasma by default, but there is a GNOME version and an experimental LXQt version. |
I really love OpenMandriva and their team. But I wanted a SystemD free distro. Went with Void, and have customized the crap out of it. For the time being, I've also decided to stick with Wayland. It is running better on my AMD system, and allowed me to switch to Hyprland which is the basest of based DE. |
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I can understand the SystemD concern. The reason I have no problem with it in OM is because OM neutered it quite a lot so no fear of silly things like age verification, etc. |
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He also said that AI was being used to make code... That is somewhat alarming... I hope that isn't true. Finding vulnerabilities with AI? Okay Making code to fix vulnerabilities with AI? Not okay. Btw, I wonder if the SonicDE team is the real menace here or if its xlibre, or both or neither. |
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This was already addressed back in July. |
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I think we can only speculate here, but when he mentioned AI, I had a bad overall feeling. Did AI improve many projects quality-wise? I have definitely seen projects struggle once they embraced AI. For instance, one japanese developer has very weak english language skills; now he has "perfect" skills. Via ... claude. You can not interact with him anymore because he just uses AI to "reply", so you don't really interact with a human being any longer. I don't know whether metux relies on AI heavily or not, but the question of quality can be objectively verified one way or another. I can't verify this right now; I got stuck earlier because having both xorg and xlibre via the /usr/ prefix was not working that well for me, some months ago. Hopefully in the future this will work so I could use or test both. Right now I am just waiting and using xorg. Irrespective over the claims made, it seems to me as if Artix needs to fix some of its internal handling of issues, irrespective over as to other projects (which may need to get better too, but Artix seems to have some issues).
I agree here - I think if they want to make the case, they need to write solid bug reports; then they can point at these. But without any such a thing, these are just claims right now that seem not grounded strongly in reality. |
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I think that many people use AI like everything is nail and it is a hammer. I've accelerated devops scripts for my home network using AI, but I thoroughly test them as I can. What's the point of broken code? For me it's an advanced auto complete system that converts the pseudo code in my head to function code blocks. |
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lolz.... |
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"pedantic"? Are you kidding? or serious? Hard to know with so few words and facts.. But, ok, I guess it's best to take it at face value. So, I followed the one link provided and the only explanation for the negative assertions about XLibre was buried in an email message from someone claiming to be overworked: "Then one day they came up with a new sonicde package for the repos that was for systemd only" What does this have to do with XLibre one wonders? In all seriousness, artix needs to maintain a DE that doesn't use systemd not XLibre.. But, this is beside the point @@ i.e. sonicde != XLibre With regard to XLibre and artix, I don't know, again, this information seems like agenda conditioning from artix and/or their associates.. It would be very interesting to see the XLibre commits and run behavior that put them off.. If there are any? |
Off to a great start already...
That word does not mean what you think it means... |
Pedantic - Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for academic knowledge and formal rules. Also, see: antix announcement No DE needed. sonicde is just another KDE Plasma. imho, Plasma is so overbloated one may as well go to wayland, systemd, new hardware, etc. Sticking with Plasma makes about as much sense as sticking with systemd. |
I'm just pointing out that mandle420 applied the word "pedantic" completely incorrectly. What was the OP and other people pedantic about? He never specified and then, he just drops a URL to Artix's announcement that everyone already knew about thinking that he made a huge gotcha moment. |
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They're afraid of success |
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Wait... I thought that he originally created them as improvements to Xorg over the years and then forked it as XLibre and added the commits, or maybe that was something else...
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