From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Apr 01 08:16:47 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f2buh-0002Ua-3s for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:16:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2buc-0002RL-4I for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:16:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2buV-0000Kn-Q1 for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:16:42 -0400 Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:44214) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2buV-0000HM-Iy for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:16:35 -0400 Received: from anton by a4 with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f2buO-0008JP-RV; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 14:16:28 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 14:16:28 +0200 From: Anton Ertl To: Dennis Ruffer Cc: Bernd Paysan , "J. David Boyd" , "gerald.wodni@gmail.com" , "gforth@gnu.org" Message-ID: <20180401121628.w47pl7jv5depzt4g@a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at> Reply-To: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at References: <9231797.mWhPSogo73@daiyu> <5abfd4a7.c224630a.849a8.b37f@mx.google.com> <1756762.vqjCXnv5km@daiyu> <5ac025eb.49be630a.d46db.9c71@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5ac025eb.49be630a.d46db.9c71@mx.google.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 128.130.173.65 Subject: Re: [gforth] Compile gforth on Cygwin X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 12:16:45 -0000 On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 05:21:01PM -0700, Dennis Ruffer wrote: > I also needed texlive, but it still seems to not be done. It installs now, so it’s not a big deal, but I thought it used to end with some kind of message. What I see in the log is errors from chcon (I am surprised that there is a chcon in Cygwin). In some places, chcon failures are explicitly ignored, but in others, they are not. Not sure what the right way to deal with that is; I lean towards explicitly ignoring such failures everywhere; can someone confirm or refute this? - anton From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Apr 01 08:24:52 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f2c2W-0004w8-N5 for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:24:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2c2T-0004vm-UW for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:24:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2c2P-0006QB-7G for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:24:49 -0400 Received: from baochai.net2o.de ([185.183.156.191]:52138 helo=mail.net2o.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2c2O-0006PH-Tm for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 08:24:45 -0400 Received: from daiyu.localnet (200116b826652b000fb0a89f6bcdab9e.dip.versatel-1u1.de [IPv6:2001:16b8:2665:2b00:fb0:a89f:6bcd:ab9e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.net2o.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3215D400E4; Sun, 1 Apr 2018 14:24:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=net2o.de; s=mail; t=1522585481; bh=NxocHR+PsRm4DsSB+DlEoG+pZ89fVT+T7sfTzHr5yBA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KpwEIrnDuYuVQC5TlW9/3t0nX6vqc4CW4gPG5UVsG9TU2aGtNY2zG4UM62Oj+Fw9X ytWsIfLae66Ud1V88U+Uh/qmEm/RtWruq3kGa5czSCMiSfwb1P2qjoddN9oilDi8jf WdAsnPcPHK6j3JnUUxZ+5ikMs84X1oEkhJvTp/44= From: Bernd Paysan To: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Cc: Dennis Ruffer , "J. David Boyd" , "gerald.wodni@gmail.com" , "gforth@gnu.org" Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 14:24:35 +0200 Message-ID: <2175899.dx4bvsLAKx@daiyu> In-Reply-To: <20180401121628.w47pl7jv5depzt4g@a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at> References: <5ac025eb.49be630a.d46db.9c71@mx.google.com> <20180401121628.w47pl7jv5depzt4g@a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart8017487.ixtku5KCeh"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 185.183.156.191 Subject: Re: [gforth] Compile gforth on Cygwin X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 12:24:51 -0000 --nextPart8017487.ixtku5KCeh Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Am Sonntag, 1. April 2018, 14:16:28 CEST schrieb Anton Ertl: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 05:21:01PM -0700, Dennis Ruffer wrote: > > I also needed texlive, but it still seems to not be done. It installs n= ow, > > so it=E2=80=99s not a big deal, but I thought it used to end with some = kind of > > message. > What I see in the log is errors from chcon (I am surprised that there > is a chcon in Cygwin). In some places, chcon failures are explicitly > ignored, but in others, they are not. Not sure what the right way to > deal with that is; I lean towards explicitly ignoring such failures > everywhere; can someone confirm or refute this? All chcon errors are ignored one way or the other. If MASSAGE_EXE is calle= d=20 in a longer script line, with ($(MASSAGE_EXE $@ || true), otherwise with=20 preceeding - to that line. The latter results in an error message with=20 "(ignored)" afterwards. I'll change all those to the || true method, which does not list an error. A successful install however always should end in =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D INSTALL SUCCEEDED =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Bash users: type 'hash -r' to empty the cache =2D-=20 Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" net2o id: kQusJzA;7*?t=3Duy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ* http://bernd-paysan.de/ --nextPart8017487.ixtku5KCeh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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If MASSAGE_EXE is called > in a longer script line, with ($(MASSAGE_EXE $@ || true), otherwise with > preceeding - to that line. The latter results in an error message with > "(ignored)" afterwards. Indeed, the last one looks as follows: cd engine && make libgforth-itc OPT=-noll OPTDEFINES= OPTOBJECTS=dblsub.o make[1]: Entering directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' make[1]: 'libgforth-itc' is up to date. make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' ln -s -f engine/libgforth-itc libgforth-itc chcon -t unconfined_execmem_exec_t libgforth-itc chcon: can't apply partial context to unlabeled file 'libgforth-itc' Makefile:1243: recipe for target 'libgforth-itc' failed make: [libgforth-itc] Error 1 (ignored) > I'll change all those to the || true method, which does not list an error. At least "make" does not report an error, the chcon still does, e.g.: if test -z "-ll-reg"; then \ for i in -ll-reg -noll-reg -ll -noll; do rm gforth${i}; make DOSTRIP=tru +e optgforth OPT=$i && cp -p gforth${i} gforth-ll-reg && break; done; \ else \ (cd engine && make DOSTRIP=true gforth-ll-reg ) && \ cp -p engine/gforth-ll-reg gforth-ll-reg && \ (chcon -t unconfined_execmem_exec_t gforth-ll-reg || true); \ true; \ make checkone check-nofast ENGINE=./engine/gforth-ll-reg; \ fi make[3]: Entering directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' make[3]: 'gforth-ll-reg' is up to date. make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' chcon: can't apply partial context to unlabeled file 'gforth-ll-reg' - anton From MAILER-DAEMON Sun Apr 01 09:00:49 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1f2cbJ-0000zR-RP for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 09:00:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47610) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2cbG-0000yK-RN for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 09:00:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2cbF-0006Pq-38 for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 09:00:46 -0400 Received: from mail-pf0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a]:45867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f2cbE-0006Ow-L3 for gforth@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 09:00:44 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l27so7943035pfk.12 for ; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 06:00:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:mime-version:to:from:subject:date:importance:in-reply-to :references; bh=aToob5DX4hI2f1zoka10K82v2uZr4PrbdDgQDRIWJoQ=; b=Kdvfmiown+lU+yN1iMJaL3oUI+XosXYGR88oNkWCFIWR4k79nJMSQX48KqxHfiHLWI C0XT3xxbZxuNYWlJgxX+iVicthg5hbJxR8+Zg0CmV0YOJM8RFhpImgbsmBGpD1+9olwi TNYYT1sP5HYX89tLZDITVeRLiXI2jN7PfTa9QcVI5fM0TnxX9+nrvnTas5hVBfaZDffo OShgTreWzKVcGTiMQq1k8Uga4KwaGBm8T8WGvBqGX/gLhm2rXScerBvR5inCPumA+DT/ 77YsoJz6YCUv1+SxeVG4U+0y8DYcgXG8PT0HgS8deCA6h+HxwPpi1iwSscABW6e26PeJ GibA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:mime-version:to:from:subject:date :importance:in-reply-to:references; bh=aToob5DX4hI2f1zoka10K82v2uZr4PrbdDgQDRIWJoQ=; b=mJlO5PSooRVzZO49uoPVrADGduZaSRlXbu4WTVl+W7wTBUfyrbJCwgrZzMTadoKJJW QdvO6p+LWtfl1nfq8Iahhk+RVD6t52IJNlan4LTQ19SA04NHuIUEe3PUq3uOSTsbx5s6 8VO9uGTCIWjaJjVj5SYEVlWLcf92NYKK7fVtGuKjEOtHI1X3B9S4SYT1q6RdxOdsOK4r CAAVByKq9Njt2WeISuFoeLuWWAzkP4EGPfnhZAsKBClQk6zXTlduRwVUkysLME8yUOAP 4VJinf0iE2ngb40dx1nWJVBf4NlIqdY7OJRf8xK1a3V5tyzNpM53FJolbTKJSBMNKyKj skMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7E5bn0oMLN1f7NDpv+b6NlQwh0KOBdASJzXeFbUWENG3zsYCmNx Uko8LUfgzbY58sJapnBWmi5u5C/A X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48RQeIH2FcKQo5m7yuESnU7Q9rGehhDy/+7Ie4P02nJcOqEr4b+JZdJStdJdf7/lK/xgKA/Gw== X-Received: by 10.167.130.26 with SMTP id k26mr4588050pfi.77.1522587643312; Sun, 01 Apr 2018 06:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:646:8d01:a509:680d:a72d:4a59:71ca? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a Subject: Re: [gforth] Compile gforth on Cygwin X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 13:00:48 -0000 --_04701F54-1232-4712-83A3-EBB813C8D487_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" A note of reminder, this is not Cygwin, but WSL. DaR From: Anton Ertl Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 5:44 AM To: gforth@gnu.org Subject: Re: [gforth] Compile gforth on Cygwin On Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 02:24:35PM +0200, Bernd Paysan wrote: > All chcon errors are ignored one way or the other. If MASSAGE_EXE is cal= led=20 > in a longer script line, with ($(MASSAGE_EXE $@ || true), otherwise with= =20 > preceeding - to that line. The latter results in an error message with=20 > "(ignored)" afterwards. Indeed, the last one looks as follows: cd engine && make libgforth-itc OPT=3D-noll OPTDEFINES=3D OPTOBJECTS=3Ddbls= ub.o make[1]: Entering directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' make[1]: 'libgforth-itc' is up to date. make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' ln -s -f engine/libgforth-itc libgforth-itc chcon -t unconfined_execmem_exec_t libgforth-itc chcon: can't apply partial context to unlabeled file 'libgforth-itc' Makefile:1243: recipe for target 'libgforth-itc' failed make: [libgforth-itc] Error 1 (ignored) > I'll change all those to the || true method, which does not list an error= . At least "make" does not report an error, the chcon still does, e.g.: if test -z "-ll-reg"; then \ for i in -ll-reg -noll-reg -ll -noll; do rm gforth${i}; make DOSTRI= P=3Dtru +e optgforth OPT=3D$i && cp -p gforth${i} gforth-ll-reg && break; done; \ else \ (cd engine && make DOSTRIP=3Dtrue gforth-ll-reg ) && \ cp -p engine/gforth-ll-reg gforth-ll-reg && \ (chcon -t unconfined_execmem_exec_t gforth-ll-reg || true); \ true; \ make checkone check-nofast ENGINE=3D./engine/gforth-ll-reg; \ fi make[3]: Entering directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' make[3]: 'gforth-ll-reg' is up to date. make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine' chcon: can't apply partial context to unlabeled file 'gforth-ll-reg' - anton --_04701F54-1232-4712-83A3-EBB813C8D487_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

A note of reminder, this is not Cygw= in, but WSL.

 

DaR

 

Fr= om: Anton Ertl<= br>Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 5:44 AM
To: gforth@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [gforth] Compi= le gforth on Cygwin

 

On Sun, Apr 01, 2018 at 02:24:35PM +0200, Bernd Paysan wro= te:

> All chcon errors are ignored one way or th= e other.=C2=A0 If MASSAGE_EXE is called

> in a = longer script line, with ($(MASSAGE_EXE $@ || true), otherwise with

> preceeding - to that line. The latter results in an = error message with

> "(ignored)" afte= rwards.

 

I= ndeed, the last one looks as follows:

 

cd engine && make libgforth-itc OPT=3D= -noll OPTDEFINES=3D OPTOBJECTS=3Ddblsub.o

make[1]: = Entering directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine'

ma= ke[1]: 'libgforth-itc' is up to date.

make[1]: Leav= ing directory '/home/druffer/gforth/engine'

ln -s -= f engine/libgforth-itc libgforth-itc

chcon -t uncon= fined_execmem_exec_t libgforth-itc

chcon: can't app= ly partial context to unlabeled file 'libgforth-itc'

Makefile:1243: recipe for target 'libgforth-itc' failed

make: [libgforth-itc] Error 1 (ignored)

 

> I'll change all those to the || = true method, which does not list an error.

&nb= sp;

At least "make" does not report= an error, the chcon still does, e.g.:

 <= /o:p>

if test -z "-ll-reg"; then \

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for i in -ll-r= eg -noll-reg -ll -noll; do rm gforth${i}; make DOSTRIP=3Dtru

+e optgforth OPT=3D$i && cp -p gforth${i} gforth-ll-reg &= amp;& break; done; \

else \

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (cd engine && make = DOSTRIP=3Dtrue gforth-ll-reg ) && \

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 cp -p engine/gforth-ll-reg gforth-ll-r= eg && \

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 (chcon -t unconfined_execmem_exec_t gforth-ll-reg || true); \

=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 true; \

=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 make = checkone check-nofast ENGINE=3D./engine/gforth-ll-reg; \

fi

make[3]: Entering directory '/home/druffer= /gforth/engine'

make[3]: 'gforth-ll-reg' is up to d= ate.

make[3]: Leaving directory '/home/druffer/gfor= th/engine'

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Under a MINGW terminal it runs, but history do= esn't work; up-arrow moves the cursor. Does anyone have any sort of solutio= n for Gforth to run under Windows with a terminal window of adjustable font= and colors, please? Or even fixed 14pt font in high contrast would do. --=20 The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer --_90F055FF-D2DE-4396-BC79-80734C23BFF4_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

I use https://conemu.github.io/ sometimes, but did you not know that = you can change the Cygwin default terminal characteristics? Right click the= upper left icon and select options.

 

Even the standard Windows console window has De= faults and Properties in that same location.

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DaR

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From: Ethan A. Gardener
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To: gforth@gnu.org
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Under Windows, Gforth's def= ault terminal window has text a bit too small and too dim for my aging eyes= . Under a MINGW terminal it runs, but history doesn't work; up-arrow moves = the cursor. Does anyone have any sort of solution for Gforth to run under W= indows with a terminal window of adjustable font and colors, please? Or eve= n fixed 14pt font in high contrast would do.

&= nbsp;

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= --_90F055FF-D2DE-4396-BC79-80734C23BFF4_-- From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Apr 24 11:51:01 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fB0Dd-00030z-Cs for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:51:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB0DZ-0002zN-J3 for gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:50:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB0DU-0005W8-VK for gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:50:57 -0400 Received: from smtp3.strotmann.de ([2a03:4000:2:33f::5353]:58992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB0DU-0005Ok-Nj for gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:50:52 -0400 Received: from smtp2.strotmann.de (unknown [IPv6:fd00::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.strotmann.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B33547FC8E; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:50:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from emacs.strotmann.de.strotmann.de (unknown [172.42.1.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp2.strotmann.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40Vnq30pGhzkYfF; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:50:39 +0200 (CEST) References: <1524574727.2389683.1348923800.716A6DDF@webmail.messagingengine.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 25.3.1 From: Carsten Strotmann To: "Ethan A. 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Best regards Carsten From MAILER-DAEMON Tue Apr 24 12:43:49 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fB12j-0003LU-EY for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB12g-0003Jh-QZ for gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB12f-0007Vo-PJ for gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:46 -0400 Received: from net2o.de ([2a03:4000:1d:bf::11e7:20]:53702 helo=mail.net2o.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB12f-0007MW-F2 for gforth@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:43:45 -0400 Received: from daiyu.localnet (200116b82658ac0062d36edc3795edaf.dip.versatel-1u1.de [IPv6:2001:16b8:2658:ac00:62d3:6edc:3795:edaf]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.net2o.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D160140167; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:43:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=net2o.de; s=mail; t=1524588213; bh=An+CDakgIdL2+oRITqLID1JsVARumw22/hTBvuiNu6I=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Ct48tdqyW3L6QnKZWbvHPCmNDDBvNuDE+s6QWwwq5LJtvfEcsvRe3Y4oT7H3fBCEa tByIWFAvpwqfawkWXBb5NTmozLgOFTV3VoB0xP5kcMSRnIW+yCz5KjQ0UsN4wfQAwP ZOzXKif5En0AAn5JlbZKYWJLu6eKrLAc403wfHZw= From: Bernd Paysan To: gforth@gnu.org Cc: Carsten Strotmann , "Ethan A. Gardener" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:43:25 +0200 Message-ID: <28237566.PpfmzjotTL@daiyu> In-Reply-To: <86y3hcbo35.fsf@emacs.strotmann.de> References: <1524574727.2389683.1348923800.716A6DDF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <86y3hcbo35.fsf@emacs.strotmann.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1650875.AOcLEg9oJG"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a03:4000:1d:bf::11e7:20 Subject: Re: [gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 16:43:48 -0000 --nextPart1650875.AOcLEg9oJG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am Dienstag, 24. April 2018, 17:50:38 CEST schrieb Carsten Strotmann: > Hi Ethan, > > Ethan A. Gardener writes: > > Under Windows, Gforth's default terminal window has text a bit > > too small and too dim for my aging eyes. Under a MINGW terminal > > it runs, but history doesn't work; up-arrow moves the > > cursor. Does anyone have any sort of solution for Gforth to run > > under Windows with a terminal window of adjustable font and > > colors, please? Or even fixed 14pt font in high contrast would > > do. > > you can try 'mlterm' (). I use > 'mlterm' > on MacOS, Linux and xBSD. There are Windows binaries on the > webpage. The snapshot distributions come with mintty.exe as terminal. 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Gardener" To: Dennis Ruffer , gforth@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f3006b89 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 21:56:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5adf520c.1c69fb81.d0faf.0429@mx.google.com> References: <1524574727.2389683.1348923800.716A6DDF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5adf520c.1c69fb81.d0faf.0429@mx.google.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.27 Subject: Re: [gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 20:56:30 -0000 On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Dennis Ruffer wrote: > I use https://conemu.github.io/ sometimes, but did you not know that you = can change the Cygwin default terminal characteristics? Right click the upp= er left icon and select options. > =C2=A0 > Even the standard Windows console window has Defaults and Properties in t= hat same location. Oh right! I=C2=A0didn't know that, and didn't think to look. I'm new to thi= s Windows lark, been using FVWM & co. for about 20 years. Thanks for the in= fo.=20 I'll have a look at the terminals everyone else has suggested too, for copy= /paste if nothing else. > *From: *Ethan A. Gardener[mailto:eekee57@fastmail.fm] > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:59 AM > *To: *gforth@gnu.org > *Subject: *[gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows > =C2=A0 > Under Windows, Gforth's default terminal window has text a bit too small = and too dim for my aging eyes. Under a MINGW terminal it runs, but history = doesn't work; up-arrow moves the cursor. Does anyone have any sort of solut= ion for Gforth to run under Windows with a terminal window of adjustable fo= nt and colors, please? 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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::235 Subject: Re: [gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 21:30:25 -0000 --_ED88CDDE-562E-46BE-BDA4-7A84F1B13ED5_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Copy/Paste works on the standard terminals too, but remembering the differe= nce between each of them is tedious. =F0=9F=98=89 DaR From: Ethan A. Gardener Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 1:56 PM To: Dennis Ruffer; gforth@gnu.org Subject: Re: [gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Dennis Ruffer wrote: > I use https://conemu.github.io/ sometimes, but did you not know that you = can change the Cygwin default terminal characteristics? Right click the upp= er left icon and select options. > =C2=A0 > Even the standard Windows console window has Defaults and Properties in t= hat same location. Oh right! I=C2=A0didn't know that, and didn't think to look. I'm new to thi= s Windows lark, been using FVWM & co. for about 20 years. Thanks for the in= fo.=20 I'll have a look at the terminals everyone else has suggested too, for copy= /paste if nothing else. > *From: *Ethan A. Gardener[mailto:eekee57@fastmail.fm] > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:59 AM > *To: *gforth@gnu.org > *Subject: *[gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows > =C2=A0 > Under Windows, Gforth's default terminal window has text a bit too small = and too dim for my aging eyes. Under a MINGW terminal it runs, but history = doesn't work; up-arrow moves the cursor. Does anyone have any sort of solut= ion for Gforth to run under Windows with a terminal window of adjustable fo= nt and colors, please? Or even fixed 14pt font in high contrast would do. -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer --_ED88CDDE-562E-46BE-BDA4-7A84F1B13ED5_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Copy/Paste works on the standard ter= minals too, but remembering the difference between each of them is tedious.= 😉

 

DaR

 

 

On Tue, Apr 24= , 2018, at 4:49 PM, Dennis Ruffer wrote:

> I use= https://conemu.github.io/ sometimes, but did you not know that you can cha= nge the Cygwin default terminal characteristics? Right click the upper left= icon and select options.

>  

> Even the standard Windows console window has Defaults and= Properties in that same location.

 

Oh right! I didn't know that, and didn't thi= nk to look. I'm new to this Windows lark, been using FVWM & co. for abo= ut 20 years. Thanks for the info.

 

 

I'll ha= ve a look at the terminals everyone else has suggested too, for copy/paste = if nothing else.

 

 

 

> *From: *Ethan A. Gardener[mailto:eekee57@fastmail.fm]=

> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:59 AM

> *To: *gforth@gnu.org

> *= Subject: *[gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows

&g= t;  

> Under Windows, Gforth's default term= inal window has text a bit too small and too dim for my aging eyes. Under a= MINGW terminal it runs, but history doesn't work; up-arrow moves the curso= r. Does anyone have any sort of solution for Gforth to run under Windows wi= th a terminal window of adjustable font and colors, please? Or even fixed 1= 4pt font in high contrast would do.

 

 

--

=

The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chauc= er

 

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X-Received-From: 2a03:4000:2:33f::5353 Subject: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 08:20:19 -0000 Hi gforth community, I would like to propose the inclusion of the "minimal forth" source code from Ulli Hoffmann (https://github.com/uho/minimal) into gforth. Minimal forth restricts the visible words which helps beginners when starting to learn forth. The full wordlist of gforth can be daunting for beginners. The minimal forth code allows the user to start with a very minimal forth subset and extend the wordlist in a modular fashion. the code could be in a subdirectory ($GFORTHBASE/minimal) and maybe a set of startscripts to start gforth with the minimal code. Possible? 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Gardener" To: Dennis Ruffer , gforth@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_152475415026311380" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-f3006b89 References: <1524574727.2389683.1348923800.716A6DDF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5adf520c.1c69fb81.d0faf.0429@mx.google.com> <1524603384.1634588.1349515168.513C49EA@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5adfa1e9.1c69fb81.b0935.7dcd@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:49:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5adfa1e9.1c69fb81.b0935.7dcd@mx.google.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.26 Subject: Re: [gforth] Suitable terminal for Windows X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 14:49:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_152475415026311380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Ruffer wrote: > Copy/Paste works on the standard terminals too, but remembering the > difference between each of them is tedious. =F0=9F=98=89 So it does, but it's extremely tedious in Win7, being a submenu of the window menu. I think it might be better in Win10, but my Win10 box wasn't with me long before it died. --_----------=_152475415026311380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, at 10:30 PM, = Dennis Ruffer wrote:

Copy/Paste works on the standard terminals too= , but remembering the difference between each of them is tedious. = =F0=9F=98=89


So it does, but it's extremely tedious in= Win7, being a submenu of the window menu. I think it might be better in Wi= n10, but my Win10 box wasn't with me long before it died.
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The copy paste functionality hasn=E2= =80=99t changed between Win7 and Win10. I can=E2=80=99t remember when/if it= =E2=80=99s ever changed. However, marking with the mouse seems to be a newe= r enhancement. You just have to watch that you don=E2=80=99t click the mous= e and expect it to continue displaying output. Hit Enter to finish the copy= and display the queued output or Esc to cancel the copy.

 

DaR

 

From: Ethan A. Gardener
Sent: Thursday, April 26, = 2018 7:49 AM
To: Dennis Ruf= fer; gforth@gnu.org
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, at 10:30 PM, Dennis Ruffer wrote:

C= opy/Paste works on the standard terminals too, but remembering the differen= ce between each of them is tedious. 😉

 

So it does, but it's extremely ted= ious in Win7, being a submenu of the window menu. I think it might be bette= r in Win10, but my Win10 box wasn't with me long before it died.=

 

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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a Subject: Re: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 07:27:32 -0000 On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Carsten Strotmann wrote: > Hi gforth community, > > I would like to propose the inclusion of the "minimal forth" source code > from Ulli Hoffmann (https://github.com/uho/minimal) into gforth. > > Minimal forth restricts the visible words which helps beginners when > starting to learn forth. The full wordlist of gforth can be daunting for > beginners. The minimal forth code allows the user to start with a very > minimal forth subset and extend the wordlist in a modular fashion. > > the code could be in a subdirectory ($GFORTHBASE/minimal) and maybe a > set of startscripts to start gforth with the minimal code. > > Possible? ( Perhaps you are already familiar with vocabularies? ) vocabulary minimal minimal definitions forth : + + ; : - - ; minimal vlist ( You get the idea. ) ( It needs a little more, of course, and there are better ways to do it, ) ( but you're most of the way there with built-in stuff. ) -- Joel Rees One of these days I'll get someone to pay me to design a language that combines the best of Forth and C. 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X-Received-From: 2a03:4000:2:33f::5353 Subject: Re: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 19:05:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --eLn6q7ca1Flm2GkT5U6x8TjJoUvbcoacM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="z2rhwlocwNJ4qwi8pnlP2TlK8FAC5itop"; protected-headers="v1" From: Carsten Strotmann To: gforth@gnu.org Message-ID: <576550ba-2087-1d35-042f-8796174fe814@strotmann.de> Subject: Re: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth References: <8636zibcr4.fsf@emacs.strotmann.de> In-Reply-To: --z2rhwlocwNJ4qwi8pnlP2TlK8FAC5itop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Joel, On 27.04.18 09:27, Joel Rees wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Carsten Strotmann w= rote: >> Hi gforth community, >> >> I would like to propose the inclusion of the "minimal forth" source co= de >> from Ulli Hoffmann (https://github.com/uho/minimal) into gforth. >> >> Minimal forth restricts the visible words which helps beginners when >> starting to learn forth. The full wordlist of gforth can be daunting f= or >> beginners. The minimal forth code allows the user to start with a very= >> minimal forth subset and extend the wordlist in a modular fashion. >> >> the code could be in a subdirectory ($GFORTHBASE/minimal) and maybe a >> set of startscripts to start gforth with the minimal code. >> >> Possible? >=20 >=20 > ( Perhaps you are already familiar with vocabularies? ) Sure >=20 > vocabulary minimal >=20 > minimal definitions forth >=20 > : + + ; >=20 > : - - ; >=20 > minimal vlist >=20 > ( You get the idea. ) > ( It needs a little more, of course, and there are better ways to do it= , ) > ( but you're most of the way there with built-in stuff. ) >=20 yes, and the code I've referenced for inclusion in the gforth distribution works similar. The idea is to have this code that creates a minimal forth wordlist inside gforth shipped with the gforth code, so that it is immediately usable for Forth beginners. gforth is powerful. having the minimal forth wordlist code shipped with gforth would make it easier for beginners to start learning forth with gforth and staying with gforth while they become masters in forth. Greetings Carsten --z2rhwlocwNJ4qwi8pnlP2TlK8FAC5itop-- --eLn6q7ca1Flm2GkT5U6x8TjJoUvbcoacM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEhUZjXZ9rvJXjcufGTH6A3k9sL0IFAlrjdFUACgkQTH6A3k9s L0LjwA//cqiB7o5vYi9Vw1S9Mey6vnGMO4lR7uvvfLn9wQCCkTPi1V0EjLa1l0S9 4LmTFv1j+km9ZyBJsFuasw4JSA2KAgh6gODTrdI/07iT30XdYY6l+hcoezUay4wa 1PRxtmkvbS162NIrZvts8roJ1QHbyEkKdyVvOTXHnlnwti8DViEifA+jMN6HCTjr ffjEBP2aSoaEOCwvFb8f2AbIWFHubom4sCd+RgrWTb61+bpn9ZShhq72hb0V0dcf 9Cg4L9/bmeg5D1Y6VFnWJd0FGCqAacWbWCQkfBKq1uAE2sdUnNDy91UL2wFvTrOx LtVVTeetg9QlUdSAKRGZWzjfkie6REQgro03MXdSxbWkR+XMdOul2Wv/QKUErVPL OhPzsSq91UV2fGfbqDRfFy6Lgw3q/XQmDV+EeD4cKmUHIH9nuSZFebS2GS2kWqtd pUehF1rTkcCeK8hSTk/1PZMcHs9VabFGZbXZbud5P/nQw/HSA4SGZYSACjdvQHNi 6Aaf+9VKJBzZO68D8gX4lh+429i82lxzXZNupv4VaXzdKLfugjtEJKR+D5kCN6K2 rmHsaK9ykmNqFb8e1qia0lSlV5wsAJq/8VRyabeqxVkQsSgS+WL0UpHWKOo77lZg sucQuGlH5tgMRcLt0CS1gToSawsygmiM3L46qboQUpJqmj6VrRU= =kAJJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eLn6q7ca1Flm2GkT5U6x8TjJoUvbcoacM-- From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Apr 27 16:21:51 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fC9sN-0002zA-6c for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:21:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fC9sL-0002z2-77 for gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:21:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fC9sI-0001rE-0H for gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:21:49 -0400 Received: from jasonwoof.com ([50.116.60.104]:32964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fC9sH-0001qT-RS for gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:21:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (jasonwoof.com [127.0.0.1]) by jasonwoof.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242F88E84C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jasonwoof.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (jasonwoof.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bg5xwhwBiFh9 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 16:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 14:55:18 -0400 From: Josh Grams To: gforth@gnu.org Message-ID: <20180427185518.GA3641@localdomain> References: <8636zibcr4.fsf@emacs.strotmann.de> <576550ba-2087-1d35-042f-8796174fe814@strotmann.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <576550ba-2087-1d35-042f-8796174fe814@strotmann.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 50.116.60.104 Subject: Re: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 20:21:50 -0000 On 2018-04-27 09:04PM, Carsten Strotmann wrote: >The idea is to have this code that creates a minimal forth wordlist >inside gforth shipped with the gforth code, so that it is immediately >usable for Forth beginners. Ulli Hoffman's code goes out of its way to try and work on any ANS-94 system. I'd think it would be better to do it in gforth-specific code: it could be shorter and cleaner. Also it seems to pretend that it's bootstrapping a new system from scratch instead of just isolating words from an existing system. And frankly I think that's stupid. If you're doing it for educational purposes, there's no reason that I can see to define things like: : + 0 swap - - ; Why not just alias it to the existing addition word? >gforth is powerful. having the minimal forth wordlist code shipped with >gforth would make it easier for beginners to start learning forth with >gforth and staying with gforth while they become masters in forth. I don't see that it makes much difference. If you don't tell beginners about WORDS then they'll never even know. And I don't recall using WORDS when I was learning Forth, either in minimal systems or in big ones like gforth, except as a "wow, look at all the stuff that's here" sort of thing. Nor do I ever remember making errors where I typed a more advanced Forth word instead of one frorm the minimal word set by accident. Racket (a Scheme-like language) does do this sort of limited languages for teaching purposes, but it has dynamic type checking, and they're using the limited language to provide better error messages for common use cases which are valid Racket code but are almost certainly an error when a beginner writes them. I don't *think* that's the case here. Do you have examples of common beginner errors which would be better served by a minimal word set? Even with Racket, their Beginning Student Language leaves out some extremely common conveniences and quickly becomes clunky and irritating. The couple of times that I've tried teaching Racket to beginners they've gotten frustrated and we've moved right on to the full language. I'd say introducing words a few at a time is a job for textbooks and documentation, for instance the gforth tutorial (http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/Tutorial.html). (not that I have anything to do with gforth, but that's my two cents) --Josh From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Apr 27 17:44:35 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fCBAQ-0000XL-Ue for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:44:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fCBAN-0000X9-O4 for gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:44:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fCBAM-0001We-Ec for gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:44:31 -0400 Received: from smtp3.strotmann.de ([2a03:4000:2:33f::5353]:53462) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fCBAM-0001VK-3A for gforth@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:44:30 -0400 Received: from smtp2.strotmann.de (unknown [IPv6:fd00::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) 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X-Received-From: 2a03:4000:2:33f::5353 Subject: Re: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 21:44:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Z9ZOJekqTAbZ869RYG14RZQ2p6fpBiaHt Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ov58HPh9YTGHWoRCa4oHWt3gc55279Pfa"; protected-headers="v1" From: Carsten Strotmann To: gforth@gnu.org Message-ID: <119948b3-a195-ff2d-09a0-a77d6d782b38@strotmann.de> Subject: Re: [gforth] Inclusion of minimal-forth code in gforth References: <8636zibcr4.fsf@emacs.strotmann.de> <576550ba-2087-1d35-042f-8796174fe814@strotmann.de> <20180427185518.GA3641@localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20180427185518.GA3641@localdomain> --ov58HPh9YTGHWoRCa4oHWt3gc55279Pfa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Josh, On 27.04.18 20:55, Josh Grams wrote: > On 2018-04-27 09:04PM, Carsten Strotmann wrote: >> The idea is to have this code that creates a minimal forth wordlist >> inside gforth shipped with the gforth code, so that it is immediately >> usable for Forth beginners. >=20 > Ulli Hoffman's code goes out of its way to try and work on any ANS-94 > system. I'd think it would be better to do it in gforth-specific code:= > it could be shorter and cleaner. >=20 > Also it seems to pretend that it's bootstrapping a new system from > scratch instead of just isolating words from an existing system. And > frankly I think that's stupid. If you're doing it for educational > purposes, there's no reason that I can see to define things like: >=20 > : + 0 swap - - ; >=20 > Why not just alias it to the existing addition word? I'm happy either way. If someone wants to write better code with the same or better result, that would be great. If not, the current code is good already, it does not need to be perfect for the intended use-case. >=20 >> gforth is powerful. having the minimal forth wordlist code shipped wit= h >> gforth would make it easier for beginners to start learning forth with= >> gforth and staying with gforth while they become masters in forth. >=20 > I don't see that it makes much difference. If you don't tell beginners= > about WORDS then they'll never even know. And I don't recall using > WORDS when I was learning Forth, either in minimal systems or in big > ones like gforth, except as a "wow, look at all the stuff that's here" > sort of thing. >=20 > Nor do I ever remember making errors where I typed a more advanced Fort= h > word instead of one frorm the minimal word set by accident. >=20 > Racket (a Scheme-like language) does do this sort of limited languages > for teaching purposes, but it has dynamic type checking, and they're > using the limited language to provide better error messages for common > use cases which are valid Racket code but are almost certainly an error= > when a beginner writes them. I don't *think* that's the case here. Do= > you have examples of common beginner errors which would be better serve= d > by a minimal word set? >=20 > Even with Racket, their Beginning Student Language leaves out some > extremely common conveniences and quickly becomes clunky and irritating= =2E > The couple of times that I've tried teaching Racket to beginners they'v= e > gotten frustrated and we've moved right on to the full language. >=20 > I'd say introducing words a few at a time is a job for textbooks and > documentation, for instance the gforth tutorial > (http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/Docs-html/Tutorial.html)= =2E >=20 > (not that I have anything to do with gforth, but that's my two cents) >=20 I'm not proposing making the minimal forth a default, it is just an optio= n. Every user is free to choose to use the full gforth system, the minimal learning subset, or something different. Providing the option of a minimal learning system in the gforth distribution will make gforth (and therefor Forth in general) more accessible. 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Something like w/a or r/a? Thanks Mario Beaulieu Envoy=C3=A9 de mon iPad= From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Apr 30 03:52:28 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fD3bo-00085w-8S for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:52:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45307) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fD3bi-00082X-LC for gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:52:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fD3bf-00064F-GH for gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:52:22 -0400 Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:43758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fD3bf-00063M-7w for gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 03:52:19 -0400 Received: from anton by a4 with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fD3bb-0003qQ-H2; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:52:15 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:52:15 +0200 From: Anton Ertl To: Mario Beaulieu Cc: gforth@gnu.org Message-ID: <20180430075215.rcyrnwpjqxun2rr3@a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at> Reply-To: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 128.130.173.65 Subject: Re: [gforth] Open a file in Append mode X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 07:52:23 -0000 On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 10:52:29PM -0400, Mario Beaulieu wrote: > Hi, > > Is there such a thing as an Append mode when opening a file, so I can keep adding to an existing file when I re-open it? Something like w/a or r/a? Currently Gforth does not have that. You can use FILE-SIZE and REPOSITION-FILE after OPEN-FILE to get the same effect (as long as no other process appends to the file simultaneously). - anton From MAILER-DAEMON Mon Apr 30 19:16:37 2018 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fDI28-0004UD-V6 for mharc-gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:16:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33500) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDI26-0004Tv-SR for gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:16:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDI22-0005xX-TW for gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:16:34 -0400 Received: from sonic302-4.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.135.43]:41080) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fDI22-0005xG-OO for gforth@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:16:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s2048; t=1525130190; bh=dqW84VHrIrCAbgrnvux+zWqh0hetLiW452tt5gDmHOg=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=B4DB7YphY3I8tNJtqhO+sHwxIb627BZp8ecQj6FmAjXmPIO+Drsu0ssZplY+yjN88xnxwDlC2qqnMSFh+kZO6nelw6oPWsiCHufH7uwDs/9tvjD/jtpihMomIf9lYXKZzFNDI9n7OZSfRHmI0r/d8OGUx/rtack+BqXoppUcJ16CVcNyUHNNkuHB6oyB+41XVR8/8kvOzTCQP7jca1M000h7ZpeS1js45N3MI7jrTOkr6uVLc4o+dccuu5JZF+ZAJ0h5RSLROpSs8lFrA2GPCaseYrgLnTsT402aVbb5nHN/PNDJ9KsW2fBoLM+lw/OauOAJxlUk4kd1nlCmJuGC8A== X-YMail-OSG: IQ_NG68VM1nT.GVHOMzc.PeZuhqP6.BkCkbyZkt6DbXd8Dpjh29ltdsPpP1lztL hdmfH_n7EEVGLT74RPSghOvWbHxQnTaTH89wvMO7nd_xMtuITBrjAMOm0w6BamCGm4q2c3hU2O7g iLcmqvPRZRqk0JCpkjhy9m428ndR0yA2B_b5XQi_wTcWoXvhhDE0wK3MVoJWPb76zzauKey8A.7n Ga_WW4KzGIPCZAYvCnGQOvskHzgSJJjceFNnB70axZvR5jJKyXy3FFGB7pBLJjYN.EZZ0QiNgiRg rni9YlYn.kPywsgg0cUvfxsY6Bf.svBxrSozv7XedXW3Oro8PPPfh.8vhycKYlJoeF5K6krHm7Yj 4mr46_sRZpofz.jTblJ1ltGJDViIv6JfCsfrVJqUaOzWY1SGRI0gU635tdYMIwkB5AyEfYL6xGwN 7dvqEWXwvCo7NOI8VdOlu6QI57Bk3vfwj62qvxgdJaubqqD.C7p4QUYGC6sx1js_INan1UHre8_B 4yxMgLKzZJZDCQJ.rtBCmyb_466ItC1dCpHUegE.OMNQE4anychuEhQVZnc8rUDoOeFCbBNzXxsH cKQeEGQl4pTfFXkKkzw.deTBcJN5ArfqK42Y.Ej_zYsO5M5WR2_kWlj9.yvSbdX_U0fbMmYwyFwL xjMT7kVjM Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 23:16:30 +0000 Received: from modemcable099.41-131-66.mc.videotron.ca (EHLO [10.0.1.8]) ([66.131.41.99]) by smtp408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 72874cb511857901a4ead2c1726035cb; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 23:16:27 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Mario Beaulieu X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15C153) In-Reply-To: <20180430075215.rcyrnwpjqxun2rr3@a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:16:26 -0400 Cc: gforth@gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0EC35840-D8DC-4E03-83DE-DC5A8F25FBA2@yahoo.ca> References: <20180430075215.rcyrnwpjqxun2rr3@a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at> To: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 74.6.135.43 Subject: Re: [gforth] Open a file in Append mode X-BeenThere: gforth@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Gforth discussion and announcements List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 23:16:35 -0000 Thank you. A very good and easy workaround. Mario Envoy=C3=A9 de mon iPad > Le 30 avr. 2018 =C3=A0 03:52, Anton Ertl a =C3=A9crit : >=20 >> On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 10:52:29PM -0400, Mario Beaulieu wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> Is there such a thing as an Append mode when opening a file, so I can kee= p adding to an existing file when I re-open it? Something like w/a or r/a? >=20 > Currently Gforth does not have that. You can use FILE-SIZE and > REPOSITION-FILE after OPEN-FILE to get the same effect (as long as no > other process appends to the file simultaneously). >=20 > - anton