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Veenite

A valid IMA mineral species
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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Veenite

Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
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About VeeniteHide

Formula:
Pb16Sb9-xAs7+xS40, x ~ 0-0.5
As is essential, Ag is not.
Bulk composition of SXRD-analysed sample (Topa & Makovicky, 2017) is: Ag0.15Pb16.029Sb8.836As6.99S39.95.
Colour:
Steel-gray
Lustre:
Metallic
Hardness:
3½ - 4
Crystal System:
Monoclinic
Member of:
Sartorite Group
Name:
Named after Rudolf Willem van der Veen (27 January 1883, Buitenzorg (now Bogor), Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) — 3 April 1925, Wassenaar (near The Hague), South Holland, The Netherlands), metallographer, mining engineer. After his studies in Delft he worked in mines in Argentina, Bolivia, India, Germany, and Spain. From 1916 to 1925 he was professor of economic geology at the Delft University of Technology (Netherlands). In 1925, he posthumously published one of the first books with pictures about ore microscopy.
Dufrénoysite-Veenite Series.

Sartorite homologue, N = 4; the structure is based on zigzag walls of prismatic [3]Pb; these walls separate slabs comprising diagonally-oriented double layers containing Sb and As, and some Pb. Orientation of three-membered crankshaft chains containing (As,Sb)–S is substantially different from that in dufrénoysite.


Unique IdentifiersHide

Mindat ID:
4167
Long-form identifier:
mindat:1:1:4167:2

Similar NamesHide

FeniteA rock classification type
VeniteA rock classification type
ViaeneiteA valid IMA mineral species(Fe,Pb)4S8O
YvoniteA valid IMA mineral speciesCu(HAsO4) · 2H2O

IMA Classification of VeeniteHide

IMA status:
Approved
IMA Formula:
Pb2+2(Sb3+,As3+)2S2-5
Approval year:
1966
First published:
1967
Type description reference:
Jambor, John Leslie (1967) New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. Part 1. The Canadian Mineralogist, 9 (1) 7-24

Classification of VeeniteHide

Strunz-mindat (2026):
2.HC.05d

2 : SULFIDES and SULFOSALTS (sulfides, selenides, tellurides; arsenides, antimonides, bismuthides; sulfarsenites, sulfantimonites, sulfbismuthites, etc.)
H : Sulfosalts of SnS archetype
C : With only Pb
Dana 8th ed.:
3.5.9.2

3 : SULFOSALTS
5 : 2.5 < ø < 3
Hey's CIM Ref.:
5.6.20

5 : Sulphosalts - Sulpharsenites and Sulphobismuthites (those containing Sn, Ge,or V are in Section 6)
6 : Sulpharsenites etc. of Pb alone

Mineral SymbolsHide

As of 2021 there are now IMA–CNMNC approved mineral symbols (abbreviations) for each mineral species, useful for tables and diagrams.

SymbolSourceReference for Standard
VeeIMA–CNMNCWarr, L.N. (2021). IMA–CNMNC approved mineral symbols. Mineralogical Magazine, 85(3), 291-320. doi:10.1180/mgm.2021.43

Physical Properties of VeeniteHide

Lustre:
Metallic
Transparency:
Opaque
Colour:
Steel-gray
Streak:
Black with weak brown tint
Hardness:
3½ - 4 on Mohs scale
Hardness:
VHN50=156 - 172 kg/mm2 - Vickers
Fracture:
Conchoidal

Optical Data of VeeniteHide

Anisotropism:
Moderate
Reflectivity:
WavelengthR1 (%)R2 (%)
400nm40.2%43.8%
420nm39.9%43.4%
440nm39.6%43.0%
460nm39.2%42.8%
480nm38.8%42.6%
500nm38.4%42.3%
520nm37.9%42.0%
540nm37.4%41.7%
560nm37.0%41.4%
580nm36.5%40.8%
600nm36.1%40.3%
620nm35.7%39.8%
640nm35.3%39.1%
660nm34.7%38.4%
680nm34.0%37.6%
700nm33.3%36.8%


Graph shows reflectance levels at different wavelengths (in nm). Peak reflectance is 43.8%.
R1 shown in black, R2 shown in red
Colour in reflected light:
White
Pleochroism:
Weak
Comments:
White to pale pinkish gray

Chemistry of VeeniteHide

Mindat Formula:
Pb16Sb9-xAs7+xS40, x ~ 0-0.5

As is essential, Ag is not.
Bulk composition of SXRD-analysed sample (Topa & Makovicky, 2017) is: Ag0.15Pb16.029Sb8.836As6.99S39.95.
Elements listed:
As, Pb, S, Sb - search for minerals with similar chemistry

Crystallography of VeeniteHide

Crystal System:
Monoclinic
Class (H-M):
2 - Sphenoidal
Space Group:
P21
Setting:
P21
Cell Parameters:
a = 8.429(2) Å, b = 26.069(5) Å, c = 8.962(2) Å
β = 117.447(2)°
Ratio:
a:b:c = 0.323 : 1 : 0.344
Unit Cell V:
1,747.60 ų (Calculated from Unit Cell)
Z:
1
Comment:
Data from Topa & Makovicky (2017). Orthorhombic pseudocell with a' = 0.5a = 4.22, b = 26.2, c = 7.90 Å. Space group of the pseudocell is P21cn or Pmcn. The X-ay powder pattern closely resembles that of dufrénoysite.

X-Ray Powder DiffractionHide

Powder Diffraction Data:
d-spacingIntensity
3.81 Å(100)
3.03 Å(90)
3.42 Å(80)
3.26 Å(80)
2.76 Å(70)
3.23 Å(50)
2.93 Å(50)
Comments:
Close to the data for dufrénoysite.

Geological EnvironmentHide

Paragenetic Mode(s):
Paragenetic ModeEarliest Age (Ga)
High-? alteration and/or metamorphism
33 : Minerals deposited by hydrothermal metal-rich fluids (see also [#12])

Type Occurrence of VeeniteHide

Type Locality:
ⓘ Taylor Pit, Madoc, Centre Hastings Municipality, Hastings County, Ontario, Canada
General Appearance of Type Material:
Masses up to 2 cm in diameter. Disseminated anhedral grains.
Place of Conservation of Type Material:
Canadian Geological Survey, Ottawa, Canada, 12170.
Canadian Museum of Nature, Ottawa, Canada.
Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto, Canada.
Geological Setting of Type Material:
Marbles produced from Precambrian metasedimentary rocks, formed at the margin of a plutonic intrusion.
Associated Minerals at Type Locality:
BoulangeriteCalcite
Reference:
Jambor, John Leslie (1967) New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. Part 1. The Canadian Mineralogist, 9 (1) 7-24

Synonyms of VeeniteHide

Other Language Names for VeeniteHide

Relationship of Veenite to other SpeciesHide

Member of:
Sartorite Group
Other Members of Sartorite Group:
ArgentobaumhaueriteAg1.5Pb22As33.5S72Tric. 1 : P1
ArgentodufrénoysiteAg3Pb26As35S80Tric. 1 : P1
ArgentoliveingiteAg3+xPb36-2xAs51+xS112Tric. 1 : P1
BarikaiteAg3Pb10(Sb8As11)S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
BaumhaueritePb12As16S36Tric. 1 : P1
BernarlottiitePb6(As5Sb3)S18Tric. 1 : P1
BoscardiniteTlPb4(Sb7As2)S18Tric. 1 : P1
Carducciite(Ag2Sb2)Pb12(As,Sb)16S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
DekatriasartoriteTlPb58As97S204Mon. 2/m : P21/b
DufrénoysitePb2As2S5Mon. 2 : P21
ÉcrinsiteAgTl3Pb4As11Sb9S36Tric. 1 : P1
EnneasartoriteTl6Pb32As70S140Mon. 2/m : P21/b
GeueriteAg2Tl4Pb4As22S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
GiuşcăiteAg2Tl4Pb4As20Sb2S40Mon. m
GuettarditePb8(Sb0.56As0.44)16S32Mon. 2/m : P21/b
HendekasartoriteTl2Pb48As82S172Mon. 2/m : P21/b
HeptasartoriteTl7Pb22As55S108Mon. 2/m : P21/b
HyršlitePb8As10Sb6S32Mon. 2 : P21
IncomsartoriteTl6Pb144As246S516Mon. 2/m
InterliveingiteAgPb18As25S56Mon. 2 : P21
LiveingitePb20As24S56Mon. 2 : P21
ParapierrotiteTlSb5S8Mon. m
PhilrothiteTlAs3S5Mon. 2/m : P21/b
PierrotiteTl2(Sb,As)10S16Orth. mm2 : Pna21
PolloneiteAgPb46As26Sb23S120Mon. 2 : P21
RathiteAg2Pb12-xTlx/2As18+x/2S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
SartoritePbAs2S4Mon. 2/m : P21/m
Twinnite Pb0.8Tl0.1Sb1.3As0.8S4Mon. 2/m
Forms a series with:
DufrénoysiteDufrénoysite-Veenite Series

Common AssociatesHide

Associations Based on Photo Data:
1 photo of Veenite associated with SterryiteCu(Ag,Cu)3Pb19(Sb,As)22(As2)S56

Related Minerals - Strunz-mindat GroupingHide

2.HC.BernarlottiitePb6(As5Sb3)S18Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.HuntingdonitePb19Sb16As6S51Cl2Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.MoiraitePb12Sb8As8S36Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05fParapierrotiteTlSb5S8Mon. m
2.HC.05gMarumoitePb32As40S92Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05bBaumhauerite II
2.HC.05dRathiteAg2Pb12-xTlx/2As18+x/2S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05eHeptasartoriteTl7Pb22As55S108Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05dDufrénoysitePb2As2S5Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05eHendekasartoriteTl2Pb48As82S172Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05bArgentobaumhaueriteAg1.5Pb22As33.5S72Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05cArgentoliveingiteAg3+xPb36-2xAs51+xS112Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05bBaumhaueritePb12As16S36Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05eDekatriasartoriteTlPb58As97S204Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05aHyršlitePb8As10Sb6S32Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05eIncomsartoriteTl6Pb144As246S516Mon. 2/m
2.HC.05cLiveingitePb20As24S56Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05cJohnjamboritePb14Sb8.5As7.5S38Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05fPierrotiteTl2(Sb,As)10S16Orth. mm2 : Pna21
2.HC.05dRathite-IVPbAs2S4
2.HC.05dArgentodufrénoysiteAg3Pb26As35S80Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05eÉcrinsiteAgTl3Pb4As11Sb9S36Tric. 1 : P1
2.HC.05aSartoritePbAs2S4Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.HC.05aTwinnite Pb0.8Tl0.1Sb1.3As0.8S4Mon. 2/m
2.HC.05fPhilrothiteTlAs3S5Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.05hPolloneiteAgPb46As26Sb23S120Mon. 2 : P21
2.HC.05aGuettarditePb8(Sb0.56As0.44)16S32Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.10aFülöppitePb3Sb8S15Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.10dSemseyitePb9Sb8S21Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.10dRayitePb8(Ag,Tl)2Sb8S21Mon.
2.HC.10cHeteromorphitePb7Sb8S19Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.10bPlagionitePb5Sb8S17Mon. 2/m : B2/b
2.HC.15FalkmanitePb3Sb2S6Mon.
2.HC.15BoulangeritePb5Sb4S11Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.20RobinsonitePb4Sb6S13Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.HC.25MoëloitePb6Sb6S14(S3)Orth. 222 : P21212
2.HC.30DadsonitePb23Sb25S60ClTric. 1 : P1
2.HC.35ZoubekiteAgPb4Sb4S10Orth.
2.HC.35Proto-owyheeiteAg9Pb40Sb45S112Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.35OwyheeiteAg3Pb10Sb11S28Mon. 2/m
2.HC.40ParasterryiteAg4Pb20Sb14As10S58Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.HC.50LopatkaitePb5Sb3AsS11Mon. 2/m : P21/b

Other InformationHide

Notes:
KOH (40%) tarnishes veenite iridescent and HNO3 tarnishes it black. KOH generally brings out the polysynthetic twinning also evident under partly crossed nicols.
Health Risks:
No information on health risks for this material has been entered into the database. You should always treat mineral specimens with care.

Internet Links for VeeniteHide

References for VeeniteHide

Localities for VeeniteHide

Showing 15 localities.

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Locality ListHide

- This locality has map coordinates listed. - This locality has estimated coordinates. ⓘ - Click for references and further information on this occurrence. ? - Indicates mineral may be doubtful at this locality. - Good crystals or important locality for species. - World class for species or very significant. (TL) - Type Locality for a valid mineral species. (FRL) - First Recorded Locality for everything else (eg varieties). Struck out - Mineral was erroneously reported from this locality. Faded * - Never found at this locality but inferred to have existed at some point in the past (e.g. from pseudomorphs).

All localities listed without proper references should be considered as questionable.
Australia
 
  • Queensland
    • McKinlay Shire
      • McKinlay
Walters et al. (1998) +1 other reference
Bolivia
 
  • Potosí
    • Antonio Quijarro Province
      • Porco Municipality
Dill et al. (1997)
Canada (TL)
 
  • Ontario
    • Hastings County
      • Centre Hastings Municipality
        • Madoc
Jambor (1967) +3 other references
    • Kenora District
      • GTP Block 7 Township
Anthony et al. (1990) +1 other reference
Chile
 
  • Atacama
    • Copiapó Province
      • Tierra Amarilla
        • Pampa Larga mining district
          • Alacrán
sample analysed by Dr. Frank Keutsch
Germany
 
  • Rhineland-Palatinate
    • Ahrweiler
      • Altenahr
        • Ahrbrück
          • Martinsknipp
Beyer (1978)
Greece
 
  • Attica
    • East Attica
      • Lavreotiki
        • Plaka
          • Plaka Mines
Voudouris et al. (2008)
Iran
 
  • West Azerbaijan Province
    • Sardasht County
      • Sardasht
Yar Mohammadi et al. (2008)
Mexico
 
  • Mexico
    • Temascaltepec Municipality
      • Temascaltepec de González (Temascaltepec)
Camprubi
Peru
 
  • Huancavelica
    • Huancavelica Province
      • Huachocolpa District
Birnie et al. (1977) +1 other reference
Romania
 
  • Maramureș County
    • Baia Mare
Cook et al. (1997) +1 other reference
Russia
 
  • Sverdlovsk Oblast
    • Serovsky District
      • Turya river
        • Tur'insk
Kasatkin et al. (2020) +1 other reference
  • Zabaykalsky Krai
Eremin et al. (2023)
Spain
 
  • Andalusia
    • Almería
      • Cuevas del Almanzora
        • Sierra Almagrera
Martínez-Frías et al. (2004)
      • Pechina
        • Baños de Alhamilla
Rewitzer et al. (2019)
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